I had the 10 then the 10+ (carbon) after. Great lids and the 10+ fixes a few niggles that was in the 10. e.g. the pinlock is recessed into the 10+ visor. In the 10 it could snag on the water seal. The only downside I had was that the chin curtain is prone to breaking the plastic tabs if you remove it now and again (and snaps in half if it goes in the wash). I got fed up with getting replacements (£10 a time) that I jimmied a Shoei GT-Air chin curtain onto the HJC and it's been tip-top since. Other than that, it's a great lid.
