https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...-halloween-rampage/ar-BBY79RF?ocid=spartandhp instead of Brexit and general election why can't we have a vote for stiffer sentences, this above and this week I heard worboys was going to be release but got another measly 6 years and a boy stabbed a solicitor and got sentenced to life but 15 years now to me I hope to live longer than 15 years so this is not life and when they sentenced the krays life ment life. so why doesn't it mean life anymore. give these wan##rs stiffer sentences and you will get less people in prison because they will think harder agaist it. sorry rant over
The Arabs have it right....off with their hands! We could adopt a similar system but with a British twist. Simple letter through the post.... "Dear Sir, we have made an appointment for you to have your hands removed at Manchester Royal Infirmary on 04th Jan at 0945. You will be signed off work for 7 days and are obliged to attend a rehabilitation centre at your convenience for the fitment of prosthetic steel hooks (£25 non refundable deposit required). Please bring an overnight bag. Parking is £8 per day"
All the do-gooders have put so much pressure on the judicial system to reduce prison sentences to a minimum and if you are a good boy the parole board or some crazy policy will let you early so that you can kill again Just a F***ING disgrace
Not necessarily true, my friend Bazz. Whilst stiffer sentences will prevent the convicted from future offences against the community, it (generally) has no effect on mens rea or mindset of a person intending to commit a crime. Of course there are many factors that perpetuate the commissioning of a crime/offence, and they might include: drunkenness; bravado; peer pressure; vengeance; greed; et al. Prior to committing the crime/offence, the 'offender' does not think about the consequences. More often than not they will not even think they will be caught/apprehended, OR, have a pre-planned alibi. This is perhaps best illustrated by the death penalty. It has made little effect on the number of murders in the 29 USA states which still legislate the death penalty, and even to date this year 22 have been executed within those states, with 41% occurring in Texas. Source [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offenders_executed_in_the_United_States_in_2019 ] On a different level, the death penalty has also made little effect on drug trafficking into certain countries. Many crimes would be prevented if parole were not so freely granted as @bradt has touched upon. In 2018 '114 people were killed by people on probation.' [Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...rs-england-wales-committed-ex-inmates-parole/ ] So is there an answer to this? In my view, it starts with parenting and schools. If the schools are not permitted to meter out discipline, there is a far lower likelihood of children learning right from wrong and more importantly: respect for others. It is my, perhaps contentious view, that the civil libertarians of the 60s and 70s have eroded this important ingredient from society.
Disagree Nigel give someone 25years just for carrying a knife and they will think again and go out with just their fists. But I will agree parenting is to blame as well. And the schools are tied up by these same parents and do Gooder’s Bring back the cane
Have to agree with both Nigel and Bazza discipline must start at home and then followed through at School but we are now living in a society where those days have long gone and we are now suffering the consequences. Just to add fuel to the fire a high percentage of young stab victims are young guys and are seen as drug related. Nigel how many drug related deaths compare to countries where drugs have been legalised ?
Gee, Brad, that'll take some research and deprive me of valuable eBay trawling time. However, for interest, I will post up after lunch. I foresee a problem though, as determining what might constitute 'drug-related' because this will impact on both self-ingested overdoses and killings by drug gangs in the supply chain.
Christ.... you lot need to get down the pub instead a reading about sh#t in the papers.... or start a....what tyre pressures do you use thread
Come on Loz. Bazza is correct to post this and I'd rather read about such things that impact on our reputation as a group than sit around downing a pint. As a result of seeing that video, I sympathise with any rider in the Manchester area who will inevitably be tagged as a potential service station rebel.
The problem is that Bazza also reads his missus's mag on the bog....so I await his next rant with interest
As stated, I said I would respond to this, for general interest. The complete task would form the body of a university thesis, so I will just throw in a few stats, that to many will be overwhelming: In USA, 70,200 people died from drug overdoses in 2017. [Source: Sanger-Katz, Margot (2018-08-15). "Bleak New Estimates in Drug Epidemic: A Record 72,000 Overdose Deaths in 2017" ] Also in USA, from 1999 to Feb 2019, more than 770,000 people have died from drug overdoses. [Source: NCHS Data Brief, no 329. Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics ] In UK in 2018, 2917 deaths were reported as a consequence of illicit drugs. A further 1442 deaths were due to accidental overdose, suicide, and illicit drug use. [Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49357077 ] In Thailand at March 2018, the Thai Ministry of Justice stated that there were 510 people on death row—including 94 women. 193 people on death row had exhausted all appeals. Reportedly, more than half of death row inmates were convicted of drug-related offences. [Source: Cornell Law School; Thailand: Country’s first execution since 2009 a deplorable move, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...first-execution-since-2009-a-deplorable-move/, Jun. 19, 2018.] Of particular interest to @bradt, is this: Portugal (hello @F1CT1C10U5 ) is the first country to have decriminalised the possession of small amounts of drugs. Anyone caught with any type of drug in Portugal, if it is for personal consumption, will not be imprisoned. Positive results are reflected as follows: The number of drug related deaths has reduced from 131 in 2001 to 20 in 2008. As of 2012, Portugal's drug death toll sat at 3 per million, in comparison to the EU average of 17.3 per million. [Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal ] Figures speak for themselves.
