Sorry to hear that dmc. How was your initial infection period? I'm guessing long covid is something only affecting anyone unfortunate to take bad with the virus initially?
I've not read or followed very much on the vaccine front. All I know is that they have rushed it through and this gives me cause for concern. Long term effects are bound to be unknown. I'm sure quite a few of us will remember the drug Thalidomide (and various other names for similar drugs), and we know what happened there without proper testing.
Not a good comparison in my humble opinion. Thalidomide was not a vaccine but a treatment that Australian obstetrician Dr. William McBride discovered alleviated morning sickness. Initially it was a tranquilizer Those of us who are old enough were given Polio, TB, and a whole host of inocculations as youngsters without a second thought despite being new, and most of us have not suffered any issues 50 and 60 years on. Social media and misinformation has a lot to answer for, such as those who have stated that the vaccine contains nanochips that allw governments and other agencies to trace you. Load of B@llocks but people believe this rubbish. I do not believe for one moment that they are going to inocculate all the NHS and put them at risk. So thge question is, what evidence do you have that the vaccine has not been tested properly? I will be first in the queue when I get the call as will everyone I know in my age group.
I haven't said it hasn't been tested properly. I have said the long term effects of the vaccine cannot be known. I think Thalidomide is a fair comparison because it is a drug that wasn't tested properly and resulted in devastating results for thousands of innocent victims worldwide. This proves that accidents do (and have) happened when bringing drugs to the market. They are already warning pregnant women about having the vaccine, whether that warning will apply to all the different vaccines, I don't know. What does that tell you? It tells me they don't know enough yet. I don't know the rules for testing and how can I know everything on that front? I'm not a drug producer. I do know that vaccines can and have taken many years to bring to the market. But this one has been knocked out in less than a year. The C19 rule changes today really do not inspire confidence in the governments handling of the C19 problems. The whole world is desperate for this vaccine and the pace of its development has to be admired, but it doesn't inspire confidence in me. I would not advice anyone not to have the vaccine I'm just offering my opinion.
As said earlier this has been classed and approved as an emergency vaccine. this is totally different to a normal vaccine, the side effects will only be noticed in a few years, They have now found the vaccine has told your body to attack the placenta in pregnant women, you will find the other side effects later, But if you are old and high risk you have more to gain than loose long term
No - Long Covid is completely indiscriminate. My initial infection was fairly mild - in fact a couple of my friends had it much rougher than me, and I was feeling smug at how 'much better my immune system must have been'. But after a couple of weeks they were fine, and then I just never got better, and over time random new symptoms joined the party and the fatigue got worse. Age is completely uncorrelated with long covid too - kids can get it, and fitness doesn't matter either- in fact there's evidence the fitter you are the more likely you are to come down with it. I was at peak training for the London Marathon running 90km a week when I got it, and there's a facebook group of endurance athletes with long covid there's so bloody many of them.
Luckily I like my own company and do not go to the pub, I know you can not hide from it forever but if it is like the flu I have managed to keep away most of my life, I am hoping to avoid it but whilst working you struggle. most company's now are trying to move on, they have spent enough and need to make some money, I do feel sorry for those that have put in so much work only to be told they are not allowed to trade, I would not be surprised if it is not still with us next Christmas
I know what you mean but it can't be as simplistic as that. There'll be something that's setting you apart for a rough ride, it might just be something in your genetic make up that can't be explained away as easily as obesity or diabetes etc . Over active immune systems seem to be bad news in a lot of cases because they can over react and start killing everything! There's some research that's showing people with certain blood groups are getting it worse than others.
The vaccine has gone through all the same trials as any other. It's not an emergency vaccine, it's been approved by an accelerated process. It hasn't been found to attack placenta.
Quoted, in the hope that more people will read it! Honestly, the amount of demonstrable bollox people are willing to believe is staggering... and scary.
I've done some of that research! I've spent most of this year building a youtube channel about the very topic and doing a number of my own patient led studies, as well as collaborating on some of the new projects being put forward for NIHR funding. Yes - there are factors that make you more likely to get Long Covid, but they're not the sorts of things you'd think of. If you suffer from allergies, eczema or asthma, you are much more likely to suffer. Rheumatoid arthritis too. If you are NAD+ deficient (which you wouldn't know about, but most endurance athletes are, as are other random people) then you are also in the firing line. Basically if you have the potential for an overactive immune reaction and/or a 'flat battery' already then you are at high risk of developing Long Covid from a covid infection. There are other factors too but we don't have the research yet to identify them all. But in all of these cases people were active and healthy beforehand.
Yep, that's my point, it's not indiscriminate. There are things that's making people more and less susceptible to long covid after effects. Hope you get well soon mate.
Love a holiday me and can see you not being able to go anywhere if you haven’t had the vaccine... and for that reason, I’m in.
Trav The vaccine makes no difference to go on hols as it does not stop you catching or transmitting, so this passport idea is just fake news
That's not a fair representation... https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...hat-to-expect-after-your-covid-19-vaccination
I do not see any mention about a passport, It does say you will still catch it but with lower symptoms, or have I not seen it?
