We all know from experience that AStars & Dainese include a pocket in most suits and jackets, to get us to buy an expensive additional back protector. So we don't feel too bad at them, they usually fill the pocket with a bit of shaped & pierced foam approx. 10 mm thick. Well, who still has one collecting dust at the back of the kit cupboard, because that's what I'm hoping to find. Ideally would be the AStars one/type but WHY? Drop me a note if one comes to hand. Mike Why? I wear an airbag vest, hence not a separate back protector. But the OEM foam pads do help stuff fit better. I last bought an rst leather with CE2 backpad, which I've removed, but..... I would like to replace it with a foam one. And the back of a lot of fellow bikers kit cupboards seemed a good start point for the search..... Stay safe, Mike