Ban on Petrol/Diesel cars from 2030

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  1. CharlieR85

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    What do people think about this? Sounds extremely ambitious to me to expect the charging infrastructure to be good enough within the next 10 years.

    I worry that its going to push us into a PCP style of ownership where we just rent the cars for a few years then hand them back and get another.
     
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    What's the alternative? Electric cars need power stations, and what do power stations run off?

    Hydrogen currently needs a significantly more amount of electricity and so is basically inefficient.

    What about trains, planes and lorries?
     
  3. CharlieR85

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    Power stations are becoming cleaner and cleaner to be fair. We had a 2 month coal free period this year which is incredible.

    I think the switch to electric is a good thing on the whole, just think 2030 is too ambitious.

    Air travel will be the next big focus no doubt.
     
  4. Selmer50mark

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    How do they expect people with no drive to charge up ,,,,,, you can't have cable across footpaths, ,,,,, infrastructure nightmare o_O
     
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    If they don’t have a serious look at the hydrogen technology or some alternative, that’s going to be a lot of high capacity batteries to manufacture. Then how are people going to charge them?There’ll be mains extension cables hanging out of windows and crossing over gardens and footpaths up and down the country in a scramble to get their vehicles charged for the next day. That’s not to mention charging up when you’re out and about. It’s difficult enough at the moment just to find a place to park, every parking space will eventually have to accommodate changing.
    Then what happens if you’re car involuntarily runs out of charge half way along the motorway?

    This is something that’s been talked about for decades and although technology has came on, I still think it’s being a bit optimistic to get all that infrastructure in place. Of course the 2030 date is just when petrol and diesel vehicles will no longer be available to buy new so the existing vehicles will still be on the roads for some time after that date.
     
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  6. tuktuk

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    My cousin was given a tesla as a company car. Cannot get anywhere near the house to charge it so he has to go to the shopping centre couple times a week just to get it charged :D
     
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  7. Muffking

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    I wouldn't let the headlines blow it out of proportion as it's a ban on NEW vehicles with combustion engines.
    It will not affect used cars/bikes, which we all know will still be on the roads 20 years later.
    So no, I'm not worried about what will happen to petrol/diesels from around 2050 :rolleyes:
     
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  8. SimonRR

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    We should be OK for another 30 years at least with the 2nd market and new bikes not effected and to be honest I will be passed the age of giving a f*ck by then :D
    Sad for all the young peeps growing up without awesome exhaust sounds, although maybe they will have them on sound systems by then
     
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  9. Jez

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    They are only stopping engine only cars, hybrids will be allowed so it will be a V8 with a PP3 :D
     
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  10. SimonRR

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    No hybrids either from 2035
     
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  11. Mattie660

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    Climate Change Act, 2008 - and amended 2019.

    Delusion beyond belief that those in Government believe that this is attainable. Their comment on the 2019 amendment of the Act:

    "A full impact assessment has not been produced for this instrument."

    But they did it anyway. They may as well have mandated that we should all live in cities under the sea.

    At the time the Act was passed in 2008 the year 2050 must have seemed so far away as to be someone else's problem to solve - the little people will just work out how to do it, for it has now been ordained.
     
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  12. Kentblade

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    Amazes hearing people talking about zero emissions cars, there is no such thing, yet another smokescreen laid down from environmentalists to politicians.

    If the way forward is electric cars, then unless electricity is generated from true renewables, ie wind, solar, wave, hydro and not the current bollox like biomass which is just another way of falsely meeting renewable targets, then we are wasting our time, even then it’s common knowledge that building fully electric cars currently is more polluting than fossil fulled cars, and is causing major environmental damage in the areas where they mine the rare earth metals, so that leaves us with an interesting problem, that will not be solved anytime soon, as currently we are living on the constant cusp of just producing enough electricity and that includes they amount we export over the interconnectors to/from Europe for our current daily needs let alone the amount that will be needed to power all these automotive fleets, and as mentioned above, no one in power has seriously considered the practicalities of charging infrastructure.

    At present the only game in town to produce enough clean electric to power an ever increasing car fleet is nuclear, and obviously the by product of that is proving quite difficult to deal with and is just being buried for future generations to solve the puzzle possibly, let alone the issues of funding and building the things and where to site them. Interested in the latest announcement by RR and it’s partners over the mini nuclear generators they are proposing, can still see an almighty planning fight if they actually materialise on a commercial basis.

    So campers, as it appears from the average age of most of us on here, good old petrol will see most of us out, and will be someone else’s issue to deal with.

    Pretty sure we’ve been lucky and seen the best of it in our lifetime IMO.
     
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  13. Selmer50mark

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    My boss has a biomass pellet delivery company and i do some relief driving now and then ,,,,,,, the carbon footprint Just to get them to the customer to burn is unreal :eek:
    Trees cut down in Russia and made into pellets then transported to docks and across to UK then loaded into a artic tipper and transported to boss's yard and into store building, ,,,,,, then reloaded into Truck for delivery to customer ,,,,,,,, and the customers think they are doing there bit for the environment o_O
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    Forgot to mention, ,,,,,,, the government pay the customers a sub to burn the pellets o_O
     
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  14. Kentblade

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    Now I am confused and need educating, there’s a push to ban woodburners due to the emissions, so WTF is the difference between burning a few logs in yer lounge, and a power station burning a forest full of these a day ?

    Answers on a postcard to Confused Cynical Old Git, Kentshire England please.
     
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  15. Selmer50mark

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    If i am corect Apparently this offsets the UK carbon footprint and stops the UK getting a big fine from our friends in Brussels, , , :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
    Bonkers
     
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  16. Kentblade

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    Carbon footprint offset, where did things like this ever enter our language?

    So would I be correct in saying it’s all a complete load of bollox ?
     
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  17. Mattie660

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    The other point about biomass wood chips is that they often burn it together with shredded rubber tyres - old vehicle tyres. The reason being that wood chips do not always burn that well so they need a little help to burn, so they add old shredded tyres into the mix.

    We all know what burning tyres are like - and it aint green !

    May I suggest watching the most recent film - "Planet of the Humans"

    An older film but still good:

    "Climate Hussle"

    We humans are not as smart as we think we are. We are easy to frighten and be manipulated by people who know how to do this. We can be frightened into a course of action that is against our best interests - fear and at the same time a solution - we must do this because - is often reason enough even when it makes no sense.

    There is nothing new in this, but with saturation media it is more pervasive. We are being played.
     
  18. Slick

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    I've just got into low and slow smoking
    I've just got into low and slow cooking, ie slooooooow smoking meats, wonder if new legislation will kibosh BBQ cooking!
     
  19. CharlieR85

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    Still no real mention of motorbikes in todays announcement. I thought we might have been forced to fill one of the original target dates set for the cars and vans (2040 or 2035.)

    There will become a time before long where we are all walking into a dealer and purchasing our "final" all petrol motorbike.
     
  20. PauloHRC

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    I was unclear on this and don't particularly pay attention to such matters...…….. but thanks for pointing out that it is only a ban on the 'sale' of new cars (petrol and diesel), so we can all still drive our existing cars if we don't want or can't afford to buy an new electric one! :)
     

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