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Discussion in 'Mods, Upgrades, Accessories and Products' started by nigelrb, Jun 3, 2019.
Maybe in the UK, but I can't see Honda giving anyone's money back here in the USA lol
Really? If you can prove it’s not fit for purpose and it’s been miss sold as honda described as the road legal track bike? Got them bang to right
Agree in part.
But the legal and financial resources behind Honda would see even a class action crumble before it got legs.
Not going to happen in the USA. Maybe get a token settlement payment or voucher, but with so few sold and no real damages suffered, they won't be buying them back - hard to prove "not fit for purpose" when it is exactly fit for the purpose Honda say is its purpose - a street bike to be used in exactly the setup they sell it in without deviation.
That what is so infuriating having spoken to Honda directly. They just keep referencing their Owners Manual.
I wonder if you could use such a voucher for an ECU reset/upgrade?
Better be a big voucher.
Apparently a few guys have managed to get a settlement out of them
1 guy got the finance company to get the bike taken back by Honda with no cost other than the 3 payments made and another was offered some very nice parts and the bike set up by the bsb team which he was happy with
Did you ever have a contact for that chap?
Will try and get one
On what grounds?
Just does not seem plausible.
Are we any clearer on what Honda have actually done on the 19 ref the software? Surely it’s more than just unlock the software? What if users inputs are wrong and this caused a accident
I've been told it's a whole different ECU. It makes sense because of the new dash now with the 'Wheelie Control' calibration. My issue remains, as previously reported, why we cannot get the 2019 'upgrade'.
Mine too, it’s not a new dash though is it? Just got a added wc section?
They must of added a safety feature like other manufacturers with a limp home mode if you input the wrong information into the sports kit? Or it’s does a rolling radius test
Can't help. I'm not that technologically advanced to understand whether the new software would change the interface, although in my layman's terms, it's probably similar to recoding a web page.
I think there may be some confusion.
The 2019 bikes do not have any wheel size/sprocket count calibration function, either automatic or manual. The Sport Kit is not unlocked on the 2019 Street ECU. The Sport Kit is still only an interface function of the HRC Race Kit ECU.
All that has been changed is the actual software response tables and possibly some internal response algorithms to the same IMU and rider input.
The TC/WC table is now editable via the bikes menu system rather than being static and internal as whown below.
2017/18 SP2 static internal TC/WC Table
2017/18 Base/SP1 static internal TC/WC table
Below is the table of data that used to be static and can now be edited via the bikes menu system:
2019 Base/SP1 editable internal TC/WC table
The changes are very simple and not that substantial. However the parts themselves, the 2019 SP1 ECU, the 2019 SP1 DASH unit and the 2019 SP1 ABS module are different part numbers and not interchangeable with the 2017/18 SP1 units and especially not capable to be retrofitted to the 2017/2018 SP2 bikes.
Agree. I think it was the parts themselves that both nevsrevs and I were talking about.
Yeah sadly the 2019 parts are all SP1 specific and wouldn't work with the SP2s any way.
So how are people now running different size tyres
On track without any interference?
And why did the chief technician say I just changed the settings on the dash it’s easy at the s22 launch?
I have asked several people that have rode the 19 bike on track and they said no problems now
What is their point of reference? Are these base or SP1 bikes?
Have they run the bike at race speed with stock tyre sizes and been pleased with the Torque Management, Quick Shift, Auto Blipper and ABS results and then run the bike back to back with different tyre and or sprocket sizes?
If they have run the bikes at race speed on track then they would be fighting the rear Wheel Lift Mitigation ABS as well.
Honeslty? I think the folks are either not runnign fast enough or simply not telling the truth. After all without comparing stock behaviour to bigger tyre behaviour they have not proper point of reference.
He is either a bald faced liar or Honda/Bridgestone is running their test bikes with HRC ECUs in place. I have looked at the 2019 bike and had people in Holland, Thailand and Australia check for this mysterious calibration menu and it is nowhere to be found.
Maybe one needs a "special key" like the Veyron Top Speed Key to ope the menu
No problems now as in they compared stock tyes/sprockets on the 2019 bike and then changed to bugger tyres on the 2019 bikes and went out again?
No problems as in the bike intervened with traction control when they expected it to?
No problems as in the bike intervened with traction control at exactly the same point and in the same manner as when they had stock tyres on?
The problem they have with the above scenarios is the bike cannot and will not respond the same way with street tyres on as with slicks with regard to when and how traction control intervenes. It cannot - the tyres have differing levels of grip.
Remember, we are not talking about bikes that fail catastrophically as they ride out of the pits - we are speaking about a subjective feel to whether the Traction Control is intervening at an appropriate time and in an appropriate manner - behaviour that is directly related how the person is riding the bike.
I trust the objective feed back provided to me by Ten Kate test riders and racers far more than some subjective journos or tyre salesman