Telling off and investigation

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  1. t0m541

    t0m541 Senior Member

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    Well I see that Dorna are to hold an investigation and have a "hearing" at Sepang over the incident at Aragon between Dani Pedrosa & Marc Marquez according to the MotoGP website.
    Also Marquez has had a "telling off" for "aggressive riding"...

    What a load of Sh!!e

    It's racing..that seems to have been forgotten in these days of health and safety nanny states....
    Aggression and that desire to win is what makes winners and champions

    IMO the other factor that has been passed by is that these bikes are "prototypes" .. isn't that another way of saying "test rigs" where Honda, Yamaha, Ducati etc try out new technology and configurations that may eventually filter down to the bikes us mere mortals ride..
    To that end the riders on those bikes, as well as being racers, are also test riders under race conditions, so what they should be really looking at is the fact that the wheel speed sensor on the Honda was that fragile that it seemingly got broken by being brushed by Marc Marquez elbow, imagine that fragile piece of tech trying to deal with being bounced through Englands maze of potholes.
    I did notice in the parc ferme interviews that Marquez had a big black tyre mark up his left sleeve to the elbow...

    If the nannyists have their way MotoGP will go the way of F1 and become a dull series of safe processions with predictable outcomes race after race.
     
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  2. Jonnymac

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    It is fairly dull as it is to be fair. Marquez has made it much more enjoyable this year. I almost wish stoner was back and a few more factory bikes made available. It would become quite a spectacle again as it was in the 70's through 90's
    Personally I saw nothing wrong with his move. It was a million times less agressive than Lowes Knocking shaky into next week.
     
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  3. t0m541

    t0m541 Senior Member

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    Well we have Scott Redding in the mix next season...Marquez and he have history from Moto2 so it should be interesting.
    I have to agree with some peoples opinions about too much relying on electronic rider aids in the premier class.
    Dorna are always banging on about the prohibitive cost for the teams and how they are trying to stop the seemingly "who can spend the most wins the championship" route.
    Surely a simple solution is limit the power of the bikes and remove all the electronics, put the rider back in charge of controlling the wheelspin or not locking the brakes into a fast corner, keeping the front end down accelerating out of the same corner.
     
  4. phantom

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    dani probably had a good moan at someone promting an investigation,
    I seen more action in the moto2 and moto3 with nothing said.
    pity poor old dani couldnt make it around the corner without riders aids
    saving all this rubbish.
     
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  5. Jonnymac

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    Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy a bit of MotoGP. I just think it's a shadow of what GP racing used to be.
    I say stuff the electrics all together. It used to be man taming machine and now it's all machine controlling man.
    I find F1 a bit dull too for the same reasons.
    It's what makes road racing such compelling viewing :D
     
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  6. madmac

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    It's all very unnecessary and no doubt as a result of Dani having a moan at someone high up in race direction/Dorna. It's racing and part of what makes it exciting is to see people like Marquez making agressive moves - otherwise it's just an F1 style procession like it was a few years back. Don't understand why they've stepped in for this incident, yet they've let other (far worse) incidents go without comment. Marquez's move on Lorenzo on the last corner at Jerez for example.

    I hope they don't come up with any "safety rules" that kill any excitement that was just starting to creep back into it...
     
  7. Remal

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    FFS things get daft, the only way to pass is to be a little aggressive otherwise they will just stay behind the next rider.

    MM has made this season of MOTO GP fun to watch and I hope he does not change how he rides. Not long also Marco S was told off for aggressive riding. He was great to watch

    Re Dani, a great rider but always going to be the "Almost champ" tag on him. 8 years on the best bike. Stoner came and won, left. MM came and again kicking Dani's butt when it comes to points and wins.

    One reason I am not a fan of Dani. Only reason he's still with HRC is the Spanish backing from repsol. if he was From any other country he would have gone a few years ago

    Love mike MM style of riding.

    Motorsport is dangerous. We always get told this. As said we can't have it go the way of F1 with penalties being handed out every race for a aggressive overtake
     
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    More likely to be Dani's management complaining than Dani. It;s high time Honda told them either win a championship or f*ck off, especially as Honda have another pet Spaniard now to help get Repsol backing. Lorenzo probably didn't complain because he's grown up dealing with Rossi.
     
  9. t0m541

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    It's interesting to note that a certain Mr Rossi never moans or complains about Mr Marquez, even when he has been on the receiving end of one or two dubious moves..

    As a side note..and purely my speculation of course..I think should Marquez secure the championship or at least get it 90% secure before Phillip Island, then I wouldn't be surprised to see Casey Stoner in a wild card ride for Honda at his home track, despite the occasional denials from Honda that it may have been thought about.
    What a money spinner that would make in viewing numbers...
     
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    Dani moaning??.... I bet yamaha were all over it!! it's JL's only chance to claw back some points.

    Nothing wrong with it IMO you see much worse moves in moto2 every race. IMHO i think Dorna will do something to close the gap and make the rest of the season exciting to watch and boost TV viewings. lets face it, MM was running away with it ans we were in for a formality in the last three races. Dock him to the back of the grid for the next race and EVERYBODY will tune in to see him have it large!!
     
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  11. Jonnymac

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    Haha Whilst it would indeed prove compelling viewing, it is a little unfair on the kid. After all he's single handedly made this season
     
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    It is Dorna that has said no, not Honda. Honda approched them, but the reply was that they would welcome Casey back, but not as a wild card at his home GP. It would have to be as a team entry.
     
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    They might give him Pedrosa's bike for the day :)
     
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    MM wouldnt give a Fcuk - he'd still podium from the back of the grid and would relish the chance to prove it. title still in the bag anyway.
     
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    I think I'd wee myself with excitement if that happened. I was never a big Casey fan, but i'd love to see those two go at it.
     
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    He'd probably be in the top 5 or 6 by the first corner anyway. Well if he's happy, do it! lol
     
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    My point exactly.....I would imagine you wouldn't be alone in your excited incontinence.....there would quite a puddle gathering globally lol
     
  19. ShinySideUp

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    This has been said before but why was a single sensor that was so important placed in such an unprotected area? Also with all the redundancy of multiple sensors used on the prototype engines where multiple sensor are used to verify the same data to identify any errors, why was this same philosophy not used with a rear wheel sensor that would probably be used as a data source for other technologies than just the Traction Control?

    To me the collision with MM and Dani was not all that hard and the only reason it's even being mentioned is the fact that a factory prototype machine was constructed with a major flaw!
    I'm sure this sensor will be moved for next race weekend! So the same thing can't happen again!
    Why not fine Honda for building a flawed prototype machine that could be catastrophically damaged in such a small incident!
     
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    You're right Jimbo send him to the back of the grid, then we will see him win from the rear of the pack.He has done it before in moto2.
     

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