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Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Boothman, Feb 23, 2021.
Three members of my IAM bike chapter have died.
But then most of us are old men.
My father died from Covid at the beginning of March. He had recently had his second jab (within about 10 days) but had to go into Hospital for a routine procedure.
He was attended to by Asian staff who had refused to have a jab.
Within about 7 days he was dead.
OK, he was 87 but apparently in cracking health with a good few years left in him, he contracted Covid and was gone within days.
Apparently the Hospital had told all staff that they needed to be vaccinated but they could not enforce it, but they still allowed unvaccinated people into close contact with vulnerable people.
Wife has had family members contract covid, been very poorly and thankfully recover, but my father has been the only death so far
I'm really sorry to hear that, and please accept my sincerest condolences.
The behaviour of the hospital is shocking! Surely daily testing should be compulsory, as a bare minimum?
Yes, the Indian Government really kicked off about the potential stigma & also threatened legal action. As you say, it's odd that they're the only country to require this.
Unfortunately, all RNA viruses mutate, and these include the flu.
The vaccine makers try to predict how the influenza virus will mutate & produce a new vaccine every year. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they miss completely. It mutates despite vaccines, even in those that choose the flu jab.
Covid mutates at about half the rate of flu & a quarter the rate of HIV. There were already around 12,000 Covid variants as of September last year.
Viruses mutate for self preservation and often manage to find their way around immune systems, antibody therapies and vaccines.
The good news is that they do tend to get weaker, because it's not in their interest to kill their host, certainly not before they can infect someone else.
The average person knows around 400 people (some estimates almost double that).
I'm really sorry to hear the sad news that people have posted.
We're meant to hear later today on a decision about easing restrictions.
I can't see it making much difference to me, if I'm honest.
All the way through, (Lockdowns aside) I've still had 25 students in a classroom designed to accommodate 20.
Had to self isolate once, just before Christmas, when one of them tested positive.
A colleague of Mrs B&W (works in an infant school) was hospitalised following her vaccination & has had tests & scans galore.
They still can't figure out the problem.
If you get vaccinated you still only have a level or protection that on average is whatever percentage has been quoted for the vaccine you've had, you're not immune. The point of getting to 70-85% is that the transmission rate goes below 1 and therefore the spread of the virus is in remission and the number of people who have the virus tends to zero.
It sounds like a bit of a lottery then?
So far, not having the vaccine has proven to be 100% effective for me. Sorry if that sounds selfish.
Around 20% of the UK population is under 16, the age group largely unaffected by the virus.
They'll all need to be vaccinated, including babies, to get anywhere near 80% of the population.
Is that what's being proposed, I wonder?
You would think so wouldn't you? However, I have heard that it is not uncommon because many administrators do not want to be considered racist by getting everyone to test or be seen to be picking on the BAME staff in particular even though they are the ones who in the main have refused or resisted having the jab.
Thanks for your condolences though. The reality is that it did not really bother me as we had been estranged for over 20 years since shortly after my mother died and he remarried to a woman who insisted that as a (at the time) 40+ year old was my step mother and I should respect her wishes and cow tail to her. I refused and she got the hump and we stopped talking.
India and China almost at war over their border dispute - next thing India gets its own deadly variant of the WuFlu .........hhhmmm.
My old footie mate 49 years young died of a heart attack several days after having the 2nd Jab, not saying its related, but by all accounts he was fit and well before hand.
Edited to say this was last Saturday week
My mum works in a GP and the stories I hear from people who have had their jabs is mad.
One person got paralysed from the neck down, only just coming back after about 2 months.
One person was fit and healthy, then got full blown MS.
Neither of which can be categorically proven it was the jab, and I've still had both jabs, but hey, makes you think.
New variant time.....Delta Plus
Whatever variant, it is still the ......WuFlu-4U
Seriously. A few people at work who have had their second jabs have felt a bit unwell this time around - including me. It soon passed after some food and sleep.
vaccination is an insurance not a guaranty. reduction in developping the illness and/ or reducing it's impact and increasing the survival chances.
There is a lot of misconception out there with people thinking you are guaranteed safety.
Like flu virus, every year it is different and varies from country to country.
What I don't get is the medical staff & carer constantly moan & complain about the like of PPE (if you were to believe the mainstream media that is) and yet with vaccination being the most effective form of protection, they object to it being mandatory for health workers